![]() ![]() It also helps me when using specialty decals like the middle scheme on this sheet I don't have to fiddle around with Memes like "this weathered this way, that weathered that way" since I have that same photo,I know that the aircraft was originally painted in Flat and used in a USN unit, and then pulled out and only some places painted over in the new color (Gloss and different) when -122 was reactivated with the F-4J at Beaufort. I build in that slight difference in colors, because I have pre-1972 USN sitting next to post-1972 USN (1972 is the year the top color switched from Flat to Gloss), and have mixed color jets during the transition. I made a paint chip of each, using model paints and matching them up to the 1968 booklet.Īs for whether it is is pre or post 1984 color,1974 is pre-1984. This happens because "everyone can see" that those two colors were different, so in 595B and C, they "must" have been different numbers,even though you can see the difference in the three on the same x5042 line in a real 1968 FS 595A booklet. This causes weird things like having to use modern 35045 for ANA 607 NS Sea Blue (taken right off the IPMS guide pages) when in realty, in the fifties and sixties, the color was 35042, which shared the last 4 digits of the "color address" with 15042, even though they were different colors. ![]() So, yes, in summary,at one time, the FS specifications were more strict than today,not washed out like they are now. They were already painted and served in the previous "address system" colors,not the current system. This works perfectly fine for any aircraft painted with new paints acquired after the 1984 error, and continues to this day.īut, it is Not correct for any aircraft painted before the 1984 wash-together of the colors. (** or based on another site that previously followed the IPMS Guide, all those sites are tied together) Now, it is well known that a different Hex Color number means a different color,those three also have different Munsel numbers, and different RGB color codes,they have different CIE-Lab numbers (the numbers used to MAKE military paints),and lastly, different ANA numbers and color namesĪLL sites that slam the colors together are based on the IPMS Guide's erroneous statement**, made by the GSA in 1984 that combined the colors. Let's work with "X6081" for illustration purposes Just go to Color Swatches on the left side, for the 1's and 2's of the FS colors Here is an example of the only site I know that uses the system as it existed before 1984 The GSA, all by themselves, decided that all three of those houses would be the same from then on,with the small exception that everyone on 1 street are now Glossy, everyone on 2 street being Semi-Glossy, and everyone 3 street being Non-Specular. In that example, it is easy to see that each house might be different, but, all be house number 6440. This IS true from 1984 on up,but is NOT true before 1984.īefore 1984, the colors were grouped on the same line as if they were houses, their addresses might match up as 6440 on each street in the same position on that street,with 1, 2, and 3 being the street names. It is only the model industry that is using a less specific method, by saying that 16440, 2640 are the same color. Just take a look at the Munsell numbers at the back of Monogram USN Color Guide Volume III or IV,for any color you see that has a 1, 2, or 3 shade, you will see that the Munsell company themselves tested Elliot's cards and found a difference.ĭave, it IS safe to assume that the government specification is actually more specific. Simple logic says the FS colors were at one time different from each other,for over a decade, the old ANA system and the FS system existed side by side, with ANA colors cross-referencing fairly close to the FS colors This internet Meme is so entrenched, and supported by an IPMS pub (in error), that I don't think it is possible to get modelers to actually use the colors that applied during the time period being modeled, though. Right up until then, though, and for quite a while afterwards, the colors remained separate. After the GSA made a unilateral decision to simplify the colors, from 1984 on up, those colors got merged. ![]() The truth is that until the 1984 GSA incident, 1640 were actually different colors. This line is what Dana Bell politely calls "a common misconception" ![]() "36440 is flat, 16440 is gloss but the same color." ![]()
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